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>> welcome to "politicsnation," i'm al sharpton. tonight's lead in the trayvon martin case, the defense makes it's case. five days to good until a grand jury is convened, and we're seeing a push from the george zimmerman defense team. his father speaking out saying his son was walking back to his car after the 911 operator told him not to follow trayvon. here is what happens next. >> there was a sidewalk that goes to his left, and trayvon came from that area, he asked my son if he had a problem, and george said no, i don't have a problem, and trayvon said, well you do now.
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he punched him, broke his nose, knocked him on to the sidewalk, and beat him. >> his nose was broken, and is it true that he had injuries to the back of his head, sir? >> yes, sir, he did. >> we still don't know what happened that night. we know the police report says zimmerman was bleeding from the nose. and that he did not need a ambulance that was on the scene. the zimmerman defense team is about to roll out a zimmerman defense website and his new attorney knows why the killing happened. he says it's trayvon's fault. >> the reason he is dead is not because he was black or wore a hoody or was walking in the rain, it's because that young man made a terrible decision and bad judgment and he decided to break somebody's nose. >> trayvon mad a bad decision in
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he was walking home with skittles and iced tea, and he was being followed, but zimmerman's attorneys were in front of the cameras again. >> translator: people protesting, the one thing they all have in common is they were not there, they're making assumptions not based on fact. when the evidence comes out, if you apply the law to what happened, and the forensic evidence all supports mr. zimmerman's version of what happened -- >> when the evidence comes out, yes we need the evidence to come out, not the acquittal from the sanford police department the night of the shooting. it's been 39 days, this needs to be an arrest. we never said zimmerman should have been convicted or should be convicted. that would be wrong. but the police and the state's attorneys that night gave him an on-the-spot acquittal. what could possibly justify
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letting this man go? since day one, we just asked for the police to arrest george zimmerman and let the justice system play out in due course. we have ben crump, thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you, reverend sharpton. >> what do you make of the comments by the family and the attorney? >> well, as i stated before, they want to assert this stand your ground self-defense claim, but when you look at the objective facts, it just doesn't add up. and they want to make a lot of assumptions that they want you to believe, but then they just want to disregard the facts of the matter. and the facts that all of this stuff that trayvon allegedly is saying to george zimmerman, we hear those 911 tapes, and we hear stuff that hats been said.
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we never hear any of the stuff that they suggest trayvon said. more importantly we have a young lady on the phone when the altercation first starts, and she hears it. if you believe george zimmerman's version, then you have to believe that trayvon martin is talking to this young lady on the phone, and also talking to zimmerman. and that just doesn't make sense. why are you taking to your girlfriend -- >> with the young lady, the girlfriend you're referring to, you have the time log that shows what time he's talking to her, you have the time of the phone logs is that contradict? >> absolutely. those time logs -- and that's a great point. 7:12 is when she makes the call to him. it last four minutes. the sanford police department
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say that they arrived at 7:17 and trayvon martin was dead on the ground. we know that george zimmerman called 911 at 7:11. so where is all this time that he attacked him at the car. it doesn't add up. >>. >> let me ask you something else that bothers me. it says that george zimmerman's father said last night that the sanford police department corroborates the majority of what zimmerman said happened that night. am i right? he said that? now, we also just heard the new lawyer say that forensics also corresponds. how do they know what the police reports say and what the police findings are. now did they have access to what police is saying and what forensics are if there has been
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no charge and there has been no hanging over the evidence to them. where are they getting this from? >> that's always been troubling to trayvon martin's parents, tracy and sybrina. the fact that they get considerations with the police department, and they have a state attorney that did not present a victim advocate to them. they were offended by thad, especially when you think of mr. zimmerman's father saying, when she was asked a question, that -- do you think they went easy because you were a retired judge. he said i did not tell them, the sanford police department that i was a retired judge when i talked to them. the question us is what are you doing talking to them. >> not only did he say hi didn't
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tell them he was a judge, is it not true that zimmerman's mother is a court check. >> i don't know if she was in sanford of seminal, but i understand that's their positions. >> so we have someone's child saying they know what forensics are, they know what police story is, yet the family of the victim, because there is no question that trayvon was the win killed that night. you don't know any of this evidence, is is that correct? >> we know none of it, and they continue to tell us they won't release any information or evidence because it's a pending information and because of things we have known in the past. the family has zero confidence,
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and we ask the justice department to review anything. we have serious misgivings about conclusions they come to based on the allegations that have happened in the past. >> now the victim's family is told they cannot tell them anything because it's an john going investigation, but the target of the investigations, parents seem to know everything, they do things different. what else is interesting to me is what is reported in the police report that's gone public contradicts what reporters are saying. it was classified as a negligent manslaughter by the officer. that's how they classified the case. that's not what the father was saying. skbrm was giving first aid in the back of a police vehicle, and zimmerman complied with
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police. the other thing that we're hearing the father says is he is sure it was his son calling for help that night. on the tape we have two experts and i believe another expert that the orlando sentinel had that ta was george zrrm but that it was someone else, let me play that for you quickly. >> when i first heard them say that was their son, i thought well they're grieving an maybe the tapes were not today god, but when i heard the recording, me, any family and friends know absolutely that's george. >> here is my opinion, it's not george zimmerman because the voice is completely different. >> it's my opinion it's not mr. zimmerman. >> so two experts say two
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different experts say sorry, they do not believe it's mr. zimmerman's voice calling for help. >> and that's what we have been saying, reverend sharpton. listen for yourself, don't take the parent's word for it, listen with your own ears. look at that video with your own eyes, it's real telling when you start using your own senses, you come to your own conclusions, it's so important to note that his father was getting his head banked against the con kroet, but that video is enhanced and mag if ied and ewe still trying to see the cuts they say are on his head, and you ask if it was that bad, why didn't there a band aid on it. why didn't he go to the hospital. >> very interesting. we're going to keep following, keep on it, and i will keep
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saying there needs to be an arrest and a trial. ben crump, thanks for being here tonight. let me turn to a retired police investigator and the elite group, and a former homicide prosecutor, thank you both for being here tonight. ken, the zimmerman lawyer and father are out forcefully making their case, and there is a website as well. what are they doing, and could it suggest they're preparing for long legal fights. do you think they're afraid they will get arrested and charged and trying to get their story out? what's happening here? >> rev recommend, in florida, we have the florida bar that governors lawyers and their trial publicity. and it's a balance between a person's right to a fair trial,
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and a person's right to dissemination of information, the fist amendment, we have to be very careful, the public discourse and others are very important because they could affect social policy. when a lawyer is connected to the case like a defense lawyer or prosecutor, they fall under these rules, and they have to be very, very careful they do not pretry their case in the public. there is many, many reasons for this, but one of the reasons is you could potentially prejudice people that could be on a jury pool in this particular case in florida. so a defense attorney in this case, many people would say is acting from desperation if they're starting a website, getting on tv, ache making a case prior to going to the room. >> let me ask you, lou, you have
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zimmerman's attorney telling nbc that he shot trayvon at close range, watch this. >> in addition to the broken nose and the lacerations that you suggest, if the police followed protocol, and you're a former police officer, they would have blood splatter on his shirt -- >> not necessarily. >> depending on proximity. how close was he. >> they were closely engaged. it was a point-blank shot, but there is ef that the police have, and they don't do their investigation by sharing with you and i and having a crowd vote on it, they'll do an intire investigati -- entire investigation. >> how does he know what police have in the investigation? >> there is another issue with shooting someone at point-blank range and it has to do with residue from the gunshot
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remaining on the body of the individual not only that was shot, but the person that discharged the weapon and fired the shot. they should have taken his clothing. the prompt similarity of the shooting is very relevant here. it's one of the things i have continuely addressed as far as needs to be discussed or revealed. the angle of entry was a through and through wound. things of this nature. the thing that is always interesting is they're still contending their position that he sustained a broken nose. a broken nose would lend itself to profuse bleeding. there is not a drop anywhere from any part of this incident on zimmerman. as far as his attorney's comments about trayvon being the aggressor, and that he was defending himself, if trayvon was the aggressor, and mr. zimmerman was defending himself,
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we would not arbitrate that. we're talking about the degree of the defense. can you use a handgun because you get into a fight with someone? the question comes up if you were in a fight for physical altercation, why wouldn't you run for it as opposed to taking someone's life? >> let me also say, which is is why we said from the beginning, there is several pieces of evidence that constitute probably cause. zimmerman was pursuing trayvon, and he was not brought to the hospital for injuries. there is no one saying that he had a broken nose. they did not put him in a ambulance. i mean, it's all right there, ken, and yet his lawyers and father, very suspiciously are claiming knowledge of what
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police have, that they should not have. so they are either overstating the case, or there is something strange about them having information the victimson't have. >> we want to see if the probably cause standard had been met, and it appears it has been met. this is all going to have to be hashed out in a trial, in front of a jury, forensic experts will have to be called. audio tapes, witnesses, testimony. we can't try this case in the public and the fact that the defense attorney, the person tied to this case that will be tried, if there is, in fact, a charge, they should not be out there on tv telling us, and pretrying this case, because the evidence will appear in a courtroom and not on television. >> lou, we're going to have you -- lou palumbo, and ken
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nobody protects you like allstate. welcome back to "politicsnation," it's been 39 days since 17-year-old trayvon martin lost his life. and the question surrounding the mystery are still swirling. what happened in the minutes leading up to the fatal shot. what are investigators finding at the scene. and the question i'm still asking, why was zimmerman let go. joining me now is the one and
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only star jones, prosecutor, tv personality, and cohost of today's professionals on the "today" show. glad to have you here. if you were the lead prosecutor in the case, what evidence would you point to for a charge against george zimmerman? >> just for an arrest, a physical piece of evidence, aniy witness or aerowitness. injuries on or not on mr. zimmerman. the hands of the victim. we would look for any evidence that would suggest that mr. zimmerman had probably committed a crime. not a specific crime, but a crime. that would be the only standard.
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>> so if he appeared to probably committed a crime, that's all you need? >> that's all you really need to make an arrest in a criminal case. >> when you hear that his nose was broken, but there is nothing written or saying that. does this not, if you're the prosecutor, doesn't that undermine a self-defense decision right on the spot by police sm. >> translator: fact that i'm dealing with a self-defense issue on the spot tells me something was a little awry. a department in a situation, that does not have injuries visible to me. if i don't have photographs of those injuries -- if in fact he decides not to go with the ambulance at the time an ambulance is provided for him. that's all evidence that suggest
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to me that there was not an altercation, and therefore additional investigation needs to beon ongoing. we have only see a preliminary report, and i have looked over it with a fine tooth comb. i was concerned that at 3:00 in the morning, they had his name, address, and phone number, but the family was not notified that he was dead and needed to be identified until many, many, many hours later. >> and then held the body. >> so i'm questioning what were the police doing. as a prosecutor, you know we have walked into situations where i put cases into the grand jury.
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very serious, intense media scrutiny cases. the questions that you're going to be asked as a prosecutor, especially when there is media attention, is whether or not this defendant's rights are being upheld, and if you're representing the victim. you want to make sure due process takes place, and by the same token you. >> bill: want to be a victim's advocate. there is a dead 17-year-old and at some point they should have asked deeper questions. >> you have the 911 call, and some have questioned, don't know what he is saying, that he might have said a racial slur. listen to this. >> he's down towards the entrance of the neighborhood. >> okay, which entrance is that that he is heading towards? >> the back entrance.
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[ bleep ]. >> it's right in there, some think that he used a racial slur. now others come out and say he didn't use a racial term, he used the term punks. does that mean me had an opinion of the person, that he didn't know, that he called them a term that suggest an aggressive disposition. it isn't somebody looking at somebody suspicious objectively. >> the state of mind of the assailant is always relevant. so if it was either that this is a black person andly use a racial slur to categorize him. if his state of mind is this is a person that looks like a criminal, you have presumed this
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person was up to no go. mr. martin has every right to walk down the street and not speak to anyone. and i want the public to understand this one point. the police in the united states of america can't force a person to talk and identify themselves. we have the right to remain silent. so the local neighborhood watch dude, certainly, does not have the right to stop someone. this is not a part of south africa. you do not have to walk around with a pass in your hand, and put yourself in the position of a 17-year-old young black man. a older gentleman than you is following you. you're talking to the young lady on the phone. we're not sure what trayvon was thinking at that time. whether he was going to be the one that was going to be
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assaulted. for all we know, trayvon was thinking that zimmerman was about to commit a crime. that's the point of presumptions and stereotyping. >> that's the deal, no matter what you fin, trayvon had a telephone, skittles, and iced tea. even if trayvon martin punch mr. zimmerman in the face, the law does not allow you to use deadly force unless you're in the fear of a deadly physical force being used against you. >> the funeral director that handled trayvon's body, he has prepared his body. he said he did not see any physical signs that trayvon
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fought or attacked zimmerman. >> we could see no physical signs of a scuffle or a fight. you know, the hands, i didn't see any knuckles, bruises or what have you. the story does not make sense that he informs this type of scuffle or fight and there was nothing that we could see. >> as a prosecutor, would you feel that that testimony of the person that handled trayvon, would that be a serious piece of evidence? >> absolutely. that he gets to speak for the victim in this situation. because he will be a independent person who saw trayvon's body subsequent to the time the police handled him. if he did not have blood on his
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knuckles, or scratches, i have never seen a homicide case where there was a death of someone in the middle of the street, that they did not take forensic photographs. >> star jones, please come back, thanks for your time. ahead, switching gores, the r nrgs c chairman thinks the entire war on women is all fixed and somehow caterpillars are involved. you heard that right. that's next. top quality lobster is all we catch.
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we're back on "politicsnation" with one of the most absurd comments i ever heard. republican national committee chairman thinks the war on women is all made up. just listen. >> after democrats said we had a war on caterpillars, and every media outlet talked about having a war on caterpillars, then we have a problem with caterpillars. it's a fiction -- >> first of all, caterpillars, really? that's the best you could do? does seriously there's no fiction here. let's get the facts. seven states pushed women having
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knew better. joining me now is is the former labor secretary, and now a professor at berkeley, author of "beyond outrage." and also with me is is is a democratic congresswoman, a proud progress frif ohio. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> secretary reisch, let me start with you. the economy is getting better, but romney says the president made it worse. >> it's difficult for romney to continue to make that argument. many americans are still hurting, but the trajectory and direction of the economy is very clear, and it's hard for romney to say it would have been a better recovery if the president has done what i wanted him to do. the republicans said no to everything the president wanted to do, including a second
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stimulus, and the republicans right now want to give a giant $4.6 trillion tax cut to the very risk, and gut social security, medicaid, and food stamps that the average working people and poor depend on. this is a radical right wing aggressive agenda, and it's going to be harder and harder to pedal it. >> when you look at the fact that economic confidence sup 32 points, and that's the highest level since 2008, the gallop, when we started tracking the economic confidence, this has been those kinds of leaps up. so the confidence correspond with secretary reich, that
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should trouble republicans, don't you think? >> i would think so. especially someone like governor romney that wanted to turn his back on the region of the country he grew up in. you take michigan, ohio, through cleveland. these are major automotive manufacturing platforms for the world, as well as our country. and to say that we shouldn't have refinanced the automotive industry, that sounds un-american. the companies are hiring. the major suppliers are hiring engineering jobs. this region of the country is being lifted as we speak. i think crystler, fiat sales, ford, and gm sales are record highs compared to where we
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started in 2008. who ever thought we would see them recover. we have to stay on the cutting edge, and believe me those who work in auto manufacturing in this part of america are dedicated to that task. >> mitt romney built his whole campaign, or projected he would, around economic issues, and now it seems that he has the endorsement of the ryan plan. and the ryan plan is clearly bad for poor people. it could cut $3.3 trillion in low income programs like medicaid, food stamps, pell grants, and job training. if you dealt with their plan, the republicans that romney and ryan are representing, what will this mean for the average working class american.
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>> the average american -- this is is a ringing endorsement. he has gone on today and yesterday to say it was a wonderful plan, but look at what's being cut are the guts of not only the safety nets that average americans and working americans, and poor americans depend on, but also all of the other things. education, roads, bridges, and basic research. there's no way that ryan plan is not going to substantially reduce the living standards of most americans while at the same time it gives the average millionaire a $150,000 tax break. this is reverse robin hood e engineering if we have ever seen, and far out of what republicans have ever, before, in living memory tried to get away with. >> that's right, it's like
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$265,000 for millionaires. >> i'll tell you, let me give you another piece of data. over 06% of the cuts are in programs that the lower and middle working class commend on. >> president obama continues to push for fairness and the buffet rule, let me get your reaction. >> if you make more than a million annually, you should pay the same percentage on your taxes as middle class families do. if you will make under $250,000 a year, like 98% of american families to, then your taxes should not go up. andly keep fighting for this fairness until the other side starts listening. and i believe it's the right thing to do. >> congresswoman? >> the president is right. those who have benefitted
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extraordinarily should not get any more tax cuts. $150,000, or $250,000. at least warren buffet has a conscious. when average americans can't mate ends meet, why should we have a ryan-romney plan that says we're going to voucher out medicare and make it more expensive for those in our country. those that have a great deal news to muster up to the plate here, and we can't afford more tax cuts for the 1%. we have to solve the deficit problem. i think warren buffet has a conscious, he has a conscious business community and people know nay need to be part of the solution. but those with so much should
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not expect more from the public dole at this really critical time to balance our accounts and put us on a trajectory for robust job growth that requires some restraint in the deficit. they'll have to be part of the solution. >> thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> still ahead. carl rove and rush are saying some outrageous things about the president. that's next. [ woman speaking indistinctly over radio ] home protector plus from liberty mutual insurance... [ alarm blaring ] where the cost to repair your home, replace what's inside, and stay somewhere else if you need to are covered. because you never know what lies around the corner. to learn more, visit libertymutual.com today.
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together for your future. ♪ this week, president obama made a simple point. he said he thought the supreme court should respect the will of congress and uphold the affordable care account. now republicans are twisting his comment to attack the health care law and using some vile language to do it. >> this is a bad way to start off. looking like you're a political thug at the white house thaetenning the supreme court. >> it's figuratively speaking here, he has a bounty out on the supreme court. there is an answer to that. i don't know if it's right, but there is an answer. he is a thug. >> when did it become okay to
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call the president of the united states a "thug"? joining me now is cynthia tucker, thanks for being here, cynthia. >> good to see you, rev. now, is the president being a thug when he says the supreme court shouldn't let politics influence it's decision? >> of course not. he never said anything that was in the slightest thuggish. he did not threaten the court in any way, he didn't intimidate the court. and let's just for the sake of this conversation, i'm not even going to address what rush limbaugh said, since nobody is pa bigger thug on the right than rush limbaugh, but i thought more of carl rove. let's be clear about what the
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president said. he first of all said i fully expect that the supreme court will uphold the law because it is constitutional. then he went on to remind conservatives that for years, they have been the ones complaining about judicial activism. we don't apt group of unelected judges overturning the will of congress. he pointed out they have been saying that for years and years. at least 40 years. he said i expect the justices to remember that. that's what he said. no threats implied suggestive, figtive, or otherwise. >> he criticized activist judges in 2007. look at this. >> unfortunately, some judges
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give into temptation and make law instead of interpret it. it's a threat of our democracy and it needs to stop. >> so was that being thuggish? >> if president obama was being thuggish, then that remark was equally thuggish. john mccain when the supreme court said that prisoners held at guantanamo should have the rights of due process, president bush made it clear he didn't like the ruling, and grudgingly said we don't have to like it. john mccain said it was one of the worst decisions in the history of the court. >> now, attorney general holler cited the supreme court ruling in a letter today, and said the
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federal court should act cautiously. that it frustrated the intent of the represents of the people. this is him responding to a judge clarifying the point. and i think it's just them explaining their point of view. >> of course it is, but let's, on the subject of a little bit of political thuggishness, let's talk about what fifth circuit court of appea did, he behaved in a very juvenile fashion repeatedly calling the affordable care about balm care. he ordered the balm administration to give him a three paged double spaced response. >> i have to hold it right there, cynthia, that's exactly what happened. thank you for your time, we'll certainly have you back, and we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] if you think tylenol
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>> new gentlemen, in this country, the courts are the great levellers. in our courts, all men are created equal. >> 50 years ago, the film "to kill a mocking bird" came to screens across america. putting issues of race before mass audiences in a new way. the civil rights movement was bringi bringing change to the country. braving death threats and riots in order to enroll. the year before, hundreds of citizens joined the freedom rides across the south risking their lives to fight jim crowe. a year before that, four black men sat down at a white's only
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lunch counter sparking the sit in movement against racial discrimination. the box "to kill a mockingbird" was released that year. the author was a descendent of robert e lee. her book helped highlight the justice system. a black man was accused of a crime he did not commit and the courage of a white man that defends him. president obama will honor that legacy with a special screening at the white house. the message of the movie and the book is as relevance now as it was 50 years ago. we should learn from our past to plan our future, and instruction our behavior and involvement in the present. thanks for

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